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Poster: FP Date: Mar 29, 2005 2:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Any opinions or refutations of this?

http://pdinfo.com/record.htm

It states NO sound recordings are truly public domain.

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Mar 29, 2005 3:27am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Any opinions or refutations of this?

One of the news links,
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=22271
points to an article from PC World, titled "No-Guilt Downloads: Free Books, Music, and Movies- Where to find public-domain and other free works on the Web."

The LMA collection would be in the "other" category. :)

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Poster: droncit Date: Mar 29, 2005 4:40pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Any opinions or refutations of this?

I restore Edison cylinder recordings as a hobby, and everything I've read anywhere is that those recordings, and flat records up to about 1927 at this point are in public domain. I give/trade copies of those often. I've conversed with a number of people about this who should know, and they are pretty much in agreement. I know there are a lot of things after 1927 - movies, tv shows, etc. that people treat as if in public domain, but I doubt that they are.

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Mar 30, 2005 1:20am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Any opinions or refutations of this?

BTW I see the OSA collection here has a nice representation of wax cylinder material- some even in FLAC. Great way to bring it into "the future." :)

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Poster: Tyler Date: Mar 30, 2005 2:19am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Any opinions or refutations of this?

cool! i'll have to give those a listen.. between those and the 78rpm collection in the OSA, i'm so very happy to see sounds from the past being preserved for the ears of the present and future.

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Poster: droncit Date: Mar 30, 2005 4:06am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Any opinions or refutations of this?

Diana - Are they classified that way? I had trouble finding them. I have about 100 I've transferred to shn format and another 200 or so I plan to do over time that I could contribute - mainly celtic and some early jazz. I find them classified by 78s and then by genre. Am I missing something?

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Poster: DrMazoola Date: Mar 29, 2005 8:48pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Any opinions or refutations of this?


I think it's pretty unlikely that any pre-1927 cylinders would still be covered under US copyright. Without getting into all of the changes wrought upon the copyright law over the past 40-some years, here's a paraphrase:

1. Any cylinder published before 1923 is unquestionably in the public domain.

2. Works published between 1923 and 1977 retain copyright for 95 years, assuming they were still under copyright protection in 1963. For that to be the case, the copyright would have had to been renewed at the end of its initial term of 28 years. I find it highly unlikely that many recordings first released on Edison cylinders would have been renewed in the years between 1951 and 1955, as in those days there was very little interest in early recordings.

3. Any work released prior to 1978 without proper notice of copyright affixed is in the public domain. ('Proper' varies from medium to medium, but I'm too lazy to look up how it applied to cylinders...)

There's a handy 'when works enter PD' chart at

http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm

The Project Gutenberg HOWTOs summarize this nicely, as well:

http://www.gutenberg.org/howto/

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Poster: dgrayshn Date: Mar 29, 2005 2:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Any opinions or refutations of this?

are you questioning if music in this audio section is in the public domain.. or are you talking about the other audio section on here?

if your talking about this section.. the recordings as far as i understand it are being lent to archive with permission...

then with the other section it really is public domain... well unless the MTA here in NYC wants to clain they own the rights to the screeches the subway cars make :-)

my 2 cents

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Poster: Brad Leblanc Date: Mar 29, 2005 3:18am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Any opinions or refutations of this?

Yes - to be crystal clear, NONE of the audio in the Live Music section can be considered "Public Domain".